“You Need to Keep Your Eyes on the Prize from Day One”
As Thayer seeks to expand its financial aid program for fifth-year students, alums recall the focus and long hours necessary to complete two engineering degrees in four years.
Mar 23, 2026
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James Bressor
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Nick Gutierrez ’16 TH’16 remembers signing up for multiple clubs during the early days of his first term at Dartmouth. It was exciting to choose from the many activities just waiting to be explored over the next four years.
“Most of those activities eventually slipped away,” he says. “Keeping up with my two main areas of focus, getting my engineering studies done and participating in my fraternity, pretty much maxed out my time. I didn’t have a lot of availability for other things.
Overall, I had a stellar undergrad experience and I love Dartmouth, but the bachelor of engineering degree comes with a demanding workload. During terms when many of my friends took it a little bit easier, say, sophomore summer, I was taking thermodynamics and building a Stirling engine in the machine shop.”
Dartmouth’s Thayer School of Engineering has launched a $25 million scholarship campaign to make sure future engineering undergraduates can do what Gutierrez couldn’t: participate in even more of the Dartmouth experience, both curricular and extracurricular.
Thayer’s distinctive engineering program melds the best of a liberal arts education with a top-tier engineering program. Most undergraduates earn two degrees: the AB in engineering sciences awarded by Dartmouth and the bachelor of engineering (BE) awarded by Thayer.
Gutierrez faced a dilemma that continues to confront Dartmouth engineering undergraduates: complete the AB and BE degrees in four years, which means shouldering a formidable, STEM-heavy courseload every term and missing out on elements of the Dartmouth experience, or tackle the two degrees over five years, which frees up time to delve into more of what Dartmouth offers.
The latter isn’t a viable option for some undergraduates, as Thayer currently cannot offer robust financial aid awards to BE students in their fifth year, which is why the school is seeking $25 million in new endowed scholarships.
Gutierrez, chief technology officer at an event ticketing software company, and four other Thayer alums recently shared memories of completing the AB and BE within four years. While the descriptions of their experience range from “the workload was fine” to “it was a grind,” they all agree that Dartmouth should make more financial aid available for engineering students in their fifth year.
Amber Bryant Colón ’12 TH’12 says returning to Dartmouth for a fifth year to complete the BE was never a serious choice for her. Fortunately, like Gutierrez, she arrived at Dartmouth with AP credit that allowed her to bypass some prerequisite courses. As a result, she was able to play varsity volleyball and join a sorority. Nevertheless, she says, the academic workload was significant.
“Participating in a fall sport was probably the best-case scenario in terms of impact on the academic calendar. The preseason begins before you start the fall term, and you’re usually done by Thanksgiving.
However, the in-season schedule is still limiting in terms of the courses you can accommodate, making labs or participation in group projects much more difficult,” says Colón, an associate vice president for marketing at Eli Lilly. “My sophomore summer and senior spring, two terms when most students were able to enjoy themselves, were not a piece of cake. I had a lot less flexibility in the types of classes I could take and a higher level of stress.”
“It was definitely stressful,” says Lindsay Harley ’24 TH’24. “When I was starting my career, many of my colleagues were saying, ‘Oh, my gosh, working life is so much harder than college.’ And I thought, ‘What are you talking about?’ College was ridiculously hard for me. In that sense, that made the transition to my career easy.”
Harley, a program manager at Joby Aviation, recalls completing linear algebra, systems, and distributed systems in one term as the most intense 10 weeks of her Dartmouth years. She says while some students thrive on that sort of workload, others suffer from the stress, affecting their wellness.
“In addition, I had a job on campus, 20 hours a week, on top of my academic commitments,” says Harley, who was named a Stamps Scholar. “My social life suffered, for sure. There just weren’t enough hours in the day, and you have to prioritize.”
Careful planning is essential
Oliver Townsend ’09 TH’09 describes himself as someone “always up for a challenge,” and early during his first term he decided he could tackle the AB and BE in four years.
“I was on the track and cross- country team my whole time at Dartmouth,” he says. “In my freshman fall, there were a couple seniors on the team who had done the engineering degrees in less than five years. Having their insights into scheduling and prerequisites was really, really helpful. If I hadn’t received that advice, I wouldn’t have done it in four years.”
Following their roadmap, Townsend says he was able to maintain a manageable workload. In addition to being a student-athlete, he joined a fraternity and worked in Professor Lee Lynd’s biofuels lab.
“You need to keep your eyes on the prize from day one,” says Townsend, now a hedge fund senior portfolio manager. “I probably didn’t experience nearly enough of the liberal arts program that Dartmouth has to offer because I made sure every class I took satisfied an elective or prerequisite requirement. That said, my non-engineering courses were extremely valuable.”
While he never felt overwhelmed by the demands of his studies, Townsend says he supports the push for fifth-year BE financial aid. Undergraduates who don’t discover their passion for engineering until their sophomore year need a fifth year to complete the BE, and Thayer students who want to immerse themselves in the arts, humanities, and social sciences should have the opportunity to do just that, he says.
Curtis Lim ’14 TH’14 says he is grateful for the generous financial aid award he received during his four years at Dartmouth. He decided during his first year that he would pursue the AB and BE within four years, in part due to the lack of fifth-year financial aid and also because he was eager to begin his career. Like Townsend, he says he immediately realized that careful planning was essential, particularly as many engineering courses past the 30-level are offered only once a year. His planning was diligent enough that he was also able to major in economics, but there were downsides.
“I definitely was underexposed to the liberal arts side of Dartmouth. Besides a culture class, a philosophy course, and a public speaking course, I don't really recall taking anything outside of prerequisites for engineering or econ,” says Lim, vice president of a macro hedge fund. “A fifth year would have been an absolute godsend if that had been an option. However, I felt really blessed to graduate debt-free.”
Getting the Dartmouth experience
All five Thayer alums say they treasure their Dartmouth memories and the education they received—and all of them volunteer for Dartmouth: Colón is a member of the Thayer School Board of Advisors; Lim and Townsend sit on the Dean’s Council at Thayer; Harley is an admissions ambassador; and Gutierrez will join the Dartmouth College Fund Committee this summer.
While most of them were able to participate in at least a few extracurriculars, they agree that they missed some elements of what makes Dartmouth distinctive: the unmatched liberal arts offerings, the myriad community-building experiences, and the outdoor recreational opportunities.
“One of the things that makes Dartmouth, Dartmouth is the sense of community and really tapping into that,” says Harley. “When you are cramming so much into four years, you don’t get to explore that community to the fullest.”
All five also agree that the BE is an important differentiator for Dartmouth. With the changes that have taken place in the campus’s West End, BE students today have unprecedented opportunities to blend the liberal arts, energy issues, and entrepreneurship with their engineering education, and all students should be able to complete their degrees at a pace that works for them.
“At its core, Dartmouth is a liberal arts institution. That’s what it’s known for,” says Gutierrez. “However, more and more, we know STEM fields are super important in the world. Dartmouth can and should shine in that regard, too. Thayer’s BE program is one of the best ways to do that.”
Learn more about expanding the availability of financial aid for BE students at Thayer.